In contrast, couples who come together to create something for the collective often have the appropriate planets in the composite 12th, there for all to see. We both feel we have been together over many lifetimes. And what does it mean our 12th. He seems very able to detach himself and move to the future. What is it that makes it work? Lilith square . This last chance element, sadly, often leads us to relationships that are destined to exist only to fix this thingwhen the lesson is learned, both these people move on. There is also a Mars in the 12th that doesnt get really any support from anything. I feel sad about that. Lilith in the 3rd House: Those with Lilith in the 3rd house may have a dark sense of humor, be into alternative or shocking entertainment & literature, while they have the capability of being fantastic liars. We went through hell together, we loved each other, we saved each other, we saved others together, we could practically feel and read one another. As a 12th house person, I finally realized I enjoy the confusion. Lilith in 12th House Composite, Composite Lilith in 12th House You may find it challenging to express devotion and love for one another if Composite Lilith is in the 12th house. or is it irrelevant ? That was over three years ago. What you are fascinated by is your own longing to acknowledge and feel this power. Oh wow, Im glad to be reading this after the fact. Dawn, I just found this and it seems to hold some answers about what is going wrong with my marriage of 8 years. Composite Pluto in the 12th House With Composite Pluto in the 12th house, you may struggle over power and control in ways that aren't obvious. Click on "Chart Type" >>. Unfortunately, the 12th House is one of the hardest places for Lilith to be. When Saturn is conjunct the North Node it can be particularly ruthless in pursuing its goals. 8th and 12th house seem to have haunted me for most of my life , Your email address will not be published. Youre a poet of poets. The feelings I have for him, I feel, are something I just have to live with for the rest of my life. I cannot think, sleep since i met him. Composite Houses, I'll begin, of course, with the Ascendant and the first quadrant of the chart. We have (taurus) mars-venus conjunction on the 12th house and it is so real in our life: we need so strong the deep intimacy and the so close physical and spiritual nearness together, and it is better for us to be alone together for our happiness. The love you have for one another may be secret or private, and/or you are called upon to take a leap of faith in order to be with one another. After our individual identity is explored through all the houses, in the 12th and final house, the personality dissolves into something larger. My progressed Uranus will be in my 7th house for the rest of my life. Couples where the 12th is strong can often experiencewell, lets say itNeptunian weirdness. My husband and I, have composite Saturn 27 Pluto 28 Libra in 12th, forming a T square to our Sun 26 Cancer and Venus 19/Mercury 23 Capricorn. Through the sixth house, you must learn to function in the world efficiently and take up the calling to serve Humanity. Lilith in 11th House Composite, Composite Lilith in 11th House With Composite Lilith in the 11th house, you can get along swimmingly as friends, regardless of the type of partnership. Jupiter in 1st house, Uranus in the 11th to bracket the party. It has left a hole in my heart, (composite chiron conjunct asc) and I suffered from insomnia regretting I should or shouldnt have done. Great gifts are possible if that Saturn is respectedthe power of manifesting energy into form. Black Moon Lilith is the geometric point in the sky that marks the furthest point of the moon's orbit around the earth. Its a huge task, but often one the 12th house couple is uniquely suited for. hi dawn. What would you say about a composite Scorpio Juno in the 12th house, conjunct to the asteroid Valentine and squaring the north and south node? At all. I cant make a decision of whether to stay or leave without more clarity it feels like we arent done learning what we need to learn together, but staying together in this state where she doesnt desire me is agony. Our physical connection was addicting. Dear Dawn, I just see now, that accidentally I typed wrong Your name! When transit Mercury is in the composite 12th house, you may refrain from expressing thoughts and opinions with one another until youre alone, just the two of you, and no one else around. There are no connections with saturn to make it harsh. i give it much meaning because i really feel a psychic connection and a karmic fate, but again that could be just me since i have a heavy neptune but nothing in my natal 12th. Hello dawn Illusions yes I know. I have a nice syntrastry with my boyfriend (im born 8/1/1983 and he is born 10/7/1982). My natal venus is in the 12 th house. should i run away from this relationship? If you see any intense conjunctions between the Sun, the Moon, Juno, the South Node, Saturn, Venus, Mars, Lilith, etc. Neptune causes us to turn our other into gods. What should i do? Keteki says: May 7, 2012 at 4:21 pm . His north node in his 12th in pisces which means he will have to travel from a more material existence to a spiritual one in his lifetime, but that could take another 20 years. I turned to astrology and within months I learnt a lot of things about this topic. The weirdness of the 12th usually happens when one or both of the other parties has a heavy 12th influence in the natal. Good luck. Any advice would be helpful. Though many of the things you have said have been true, and there are challenges, I know we are committed to knowing each other and spending this precious time together. The eight house is the house of Scorpio, and alongside the twelfth house is the most spiritual and mysterious. There are 12 houses of Nessus divided according to the sun signs, such as the rst house belongs to Aries, the second house to Taurus, and so on. The composite chart only reveals so muchcomparing natal charts tells us about the day to day of the people involved, their reactions to one another, their attractions, etc. Emotional Suppression. what can we do here? so we find the True in each other. Bright blessings to you. I cant really comment without seeing the charts. Thank You very much for Your answer and very best regards from Hungary again! We also have composite Juno in Aquarius in the 4th house (opposing Mercury in the 10th and trining the Ascendant), and Venus tightly conjunct Saturn in the 11th (Leo). Is this similar for composite ruler in 12th? Greetings. Our ascendant is also pisces but our Uranus-Venus opposite position makes lots of deals in our relationship besides the 12th and 6th house. Saturn, NN, and Sun exact at 28 degrees, opposite Chiron Rx in Cancer. This guy in my life puts Libra venus in my 12th (conjuncting my own Libra venus in 12th). His 12th is in Pisces, along with his Sun, Mercury, Venus and Mars. Hi Dawn, are you able to give me anymore insight or know where I might find more information about 12th house stellium in cancer planets are sun,moon,Mercury and Venus in my husband and my composite chart. It isnt every case that the couple with a strong 12th house will break up. IP . I also have two stelliums in the 11th and 12th of my natal chart.a total of 8 planets (6 in Leo). However, the greatest truths will be revealed through periods of meditation and silence. The diurnal chart's house cusps will also conjunct progressed and directed planets throughout the year and can mark significant days. Thank you for this series of articles! Is there something to be read from this cluster of planets in 12th house? Sun conjunct Neptune is a very difficult thing to live with in a composite chart. I live a bliss and despair relation for about 2 years but definite we are totally different persons than before met each other (we are old enough!). In my natal I have mars and mercury in 12th house Gemini. 4) Conjunctions to the Axis/Angles = very strong bond. Whatever I told you would not have a context. We met 3 months ago, and live 300 miles apart. This is where our own shadow meets the shadow of the collective. In my opinion the midpoint composite is not really true, because our midpoint chart doesnt show the very intense physical love what we live together. I often was a bit too demanding of her when it comes to intimacy and I wonder if this is about me learning to let go. Saturn and Pluto and Ascedant. Thank you for your insight. Your email address will not be published. I met her near the end of my Saturn return (Cancer in the 4th house) and I am aware of deep wounds in me around my need for nurturing and I wonder if my neediness in this area may have something to do with it all. I will look into it. . More appreciative of that special melding? We all find our gods where we can and must. My natal chart ruler is the Moon and his natal chart ruler is Mars. but the rising is scorpio. The Sun in 11th house synastry overlay creates an atmosphere of friendship between you. Astrology Symbols, Elements, Modalities, & House Types. And I learned a lot too. Hi Evelyne. And would that mean -lets say- if this persons partners personal planets conjuncts to his north node would he lose the partner or would he lose god because he put that person (her planets) between himself and god! You cant really know how an aspect is going to manifest without looking at the whole chart, but it is true that conjunctions from the 12th house side are very complex. Its part of me. He is my best friend but marriage to him has been so disappointing because theres not much difference between now and when I was single. That may mean leaving you behind. I was wondering about my composite contacts with some I know who we share 12th house themes with. Even the sexual draw of 8th house connections can be replaced by more of them down the road, or by the excitement of the 5th. I became reacquainted with a man I grew up with. Thanks! In synastry, the house the Moon is in will show the area of life that someone touches another on a deep and personal level. i have it conjunct in our davison3rd house- and opposite in4th-10th in composite. and he JUST asked me to lunch yesterday. Was our purpose to heal each other? I dont want to lose this relationship too so I would like to help me to find out the karmic lesson. Most of it is illusions I know.. They represent different aspects of a relationship. Thoughts on this combo would be greatly appreciated by me. How does a Composite Sun or Ruler of the chart operate when their planets are in the 12th house but also also conjunct the Ascendant? cheers:). One or two aspects, especially in composite, do not carry the story. Once they have hammered out their imbalance (too little, too much is often a theme with the 12th) they must find a way to make something real of their inspiration. Oh, and we have a 7 year old son. Since Lilith is being hidden in the 12th . Should I pay attention to that or to our individual charts? Much depends on the relationship of the 12th house planets to one another. where is very intense connection and I can feel things youve described but also I can see it as long term.. They usually experience issues with drugs or alcohol. In Astrology, the planet Venus represents compassion, cooperation, beauty, and the Arts. however, we are very well aspected with neptune in trine and sextile to our nodes, as our sun, but our vertex is opposed and conjucted. Love for loves sake wont fly with the 12th house. I can no longer approach love as wholeheartedly again. My husband and I have composite sun conjunct Saturn in the 12th, composite moon conjunct Venus in the 1st. We romanticize all of this (and well, a little romance never hurt anyone) but the truth is that this familiarity is there to hurry up the bonding process so that the lessons and the challenges can be quickly assimilated. Oh the powers of the 12th house. Im glad youre enjoying it. My question is this: Does our Sun/Mercury conjunction in the 12th composite necessarily have to mean we are destined to learn a particular lesson and then part? Conjunct the composite 1st House cusp, it can be difficult to separate mutual fantasy from reality regarding the identity of the relationship. I really appreciate your take on the 12th house; it definitely resonates as true, from my experience. Sorry I cant get into too much detail here, but if your composite Sun is conjunct Saturn, Pluto and the Ascendant then you can only take comfort in the fact that the relationship is meant to be transforming and spiritually challenging. .why is neptune conjunct sun so bad in composite? Its bad enough that we have difficulties with the 12th house when it involves the natal chart, but it often is downright cruel when were trying to negotiate its slippery slopes in a composite. Most of my relationships are like that . 00 Angel Number, 00 Angel Number Twin Flame. Our synastry with my beloved couple is very strong with good connections between both 1th and 7th house rulers and many positive aspects like double whammy saturn-moon, and positive ascendant-moon, ascendant-venus, venus-moon, and so warm and intense pluto conj. From what you said, it seems like perhaps these give the relationship an element of commitment, partnership, and longevity that it wouldnt otherwise have albiet in an unusual, community-oriented way. So much more needs to be considered. We are both married similar age kids. With a lot of respect for all of your work and wishing you all the best. Who cares? An ex-lover and I share composite Sun/Mercury in the 12th. (We also have some 4th and 8th house synastry with me as the planet person, and 3 planets in the composite 4th). Maybe someone else on the page will have an answer for you. You may now be more confused about the 12th house than you were at the beginning of this piece, but such is the nature of the 12th, beautiful and terrible. Composite north node (Aquarius) trine composite Saturn in Libra (which is conjunct his natal sun). Something is whispering in their ears. Bonus points if the Sun and Moon are conjunct. Am i trapping my self? It will revolve around sorrow, secrets, fantasies, hidden desires, emotions, and everything that belongs to our little secrets without physical forms. I loved him from the bottom of my heart. Looking forward to taking more classes with you in the future. I read our full synastry report, using dual cosmodynes, and the outcome was very positive and harmonic, scoring pretty much above the average! I think this is SO true . We still keep in touch as just friends occasionally, and sometimes I feel like I am having conversations with him in my head. Mars in the 12th can mean unconscious eroticism, aggression, or desire. Lilith may help 12th house to bring their subconscious patterns to light, or do the opposite and evoke more fear. His sun scorpio falls into my fourth house in my natal chart and mine ,cancer, falls into his 8th. Dear Dawn, thank you for this amazing article. 1) Planetary house overlays (1, 5, 7, 8, 9 = most important) 2) Planetary aspects. Find a way to bring the god down to the day to day world, so that it, too, is considered sacred. Its a damn shame, but I cant make him more a more spiritual person, just because our powerful connection together is deep and spiritual. People born with Chiron in the 12th house struggle with their psyche, spirituality, and vulnerability. When the transit Moon is in the composite 12th house, you may want some alone time together, wanting to share feelings but only when alone and no one else is around. Im afraid that you would need a full synastry reading in order to make sense of the situation for you and your wife. Also my moon is conjuct to his sun both ways. I was with him longer than Ive ever consecutively been with someone- 1 1/2 years. I need help! You need a synastry reading to make sense of all this. Here Black Moon Lilith is squaring both Venus/Mars (12th house) and the Moon (6th house) - both the most difficult houses in the composite chart, indicating an unequal partnership. Obviously, I thought this man was my soulmate. along with Juno. Thank you. We feel that very beautiful in our life! In fact, it seems we are even more a part of each others lives than ever. composite moon and saturn are in fifth house. Its impossible to do one without composites or progressed composites. When transit Neptune is in the composite 12th house, you can explore your spiritual connection, and want to make sure that youre intuitively moving in the same direction. His Saturn rules his moon and his ascendant, so it is a prominent planet, and as I said, he has Saturn conjunct his north node natally. Could I ask Your opinion? We go down a lot of wrong alleyways. Thank you very much Dawn. I am a pisces sun, mercury, mars. We both have natal moon in house 12. Often, Sun/Neptune relationships just fade away or dissolve without anyone knowing why. Pluto, Sun, Venus & Mercury in the 12th/Virgo. Its also trine to the moon and sextiling Uranus. My boyfriend and I have 4-5 planets in the 12th house in our composite progressed chart. These individuals are highly empathetic, but they want to protect their privacy, and they are not easy to open up. Could be a seperation. Lilith in the 12th House is an unusual placement because it revolves around the dark side of your life and its unseen parts. Transit Venus in the Composite 12th House. The romantic nature of the past relationship is more emphasized which planets such as Venus, Mars, or Lilith in the twelfth house. The composite chart is probably the best known. It is commonly thought that the Moon governs emotions and intuition, and it does. When transit Jupiter is in the composite 12th house, you may have more opportunities to come together behind the scenes, behind closed doors, when no one is watching, and in a professional relationship, this can be how you make lots of progress together. Im from a country in southamerica. I fell onto another man after that whom I had a very deep dark sexual connection to and whom I shared a heavy 8th composite chart with. I apologize for the mistakes, Im French and sometimes it is difficult to express in English . We fall, and find the world. and Ceres in Pisces in his 12th and all conjunct his lilith. (excuse my bad English) We also have 3 composite planets and an asteroid in house 8. *And in Synastry- My Chiron RIsing (asc in Taurus) sits in his 12th house) Trust me when I say that I will happily take a man i am less connected to, to allow myself the support I need to thrive in this life. Lilith in the Twelfth House of Astrology (Explained) June 3, 2022 by Wisdom Tavern. But i ran of him, i really dont understand why, it makes me feel so sad. Hello, Skye. We get along very well but our relationship is being kept in secret (which sucks) and the Saturn and Pluto opposite Asc. This is my take on signs that have two rulersthere is a higher expression and a lower expression of the signs energy. You could unknowingly absorb all types of pain from the collective unconscious, making it difficult for you to be a member of the world. Such a great article! Entering through my dreams, plenty of astral seduction going on out there in the ethers. I need all the help to understand I can get. When we left to go home I literally felt a piece of me inside left. We tried to stop but we couldnt be in the same room aloneI know it sounds nothing more than two horny people getting together but it really wasnt the same..or was it? People who fight for justice for others often have Juno prominent in the chart. But from the first moment I felt and I know he did as well this very big attraction to him. The Mars/Neptune square did bring an element of slipperiness, but mostly irritating fibbing on his part. Venus is the planet of love which makes him lovable by his likable behavior and persuasive way of talking. I really love this article its very beautifully written and bittersweet, but anyone with a natal 12th house venus and venus in pisces has walked these roads. Please can someone find me some positive end result here because I have not too much hope after reading that article aboyt the 12 house and I am going insane because I can not really tell anyone what is going on in my life> (husband, kids or even him)I do not want to hurt anybodys life but that means I have to give up my love which is just to hurtful to do! (I have my moon in Scorpio in the 12th house along with Saturn and Pluto). Neptunes great teaching is that love is a powerful force in and of itself, and should not be used as a binder. Yes There is a higher purpose to these relationships. With composite Pluto in their 9th house, danger lies in dogmatism. You need to work on bringing body and mind together, as a couple. Any insight you may have would be extremely helpful, I am having difficulty understanding this 12th house energy. do you have any clue of what this means or should i just ignore it? The romantic synastric analysis is the interaction of houses between two birth charts. Im trying to determine the karmic lessons we need to learn from this. We have had such a difficult relationship. . Besides, his vertex conjunct with my sun and oppose w/ my moon. No one could share that kind of information with a person that he/she newly know. What gives a better idea of the relationship potential, synastry or composite? That 12th house/Neptune influence is devasting if left unchecked. We have Uranus, Mercury, Neptune, Saturn, North Node, Sun in the 12th. "Composite Chart, Midpoint- method (2)". You may keep your feelings for each other to yourselves, not feeling safe expressing them for whatever reason. However, it's recommended to do an individual birthchart analysis before analyzing the Synastry to see the personal needs and potential for maintaining a healthy relationship. i am deeply hurt but I am not angry with him. In synastry, his Pluto is in my 12th conjunct my ascendent tightly, and I have nothing in his 12th. He knows me better than I know myself at times. I was heart broken all over again. Much of the time, putting faith in one another brings you joy. She says that she has been uncertain about her attraction to me from the beginning and is just really confused because she does love me. He is a pisces/cap/aquar with cap moon in 12th house. Thanks. Sometimes the ego gets in the way of our path, whether through fear, resistance to growth, resistance to break old habits and personal tendencies, or through a lack of interest in what is wanted of us. sorry Ive made an error : it is not his descendant point, it is his IC point. While separated from his girlfriend and in the final stages of breaking it off with her, we had several secret liaisons- more 12th house. I could love this man more than my husband who is a caring man and in a way very similar to this man. Our date was perfect but too creepy cause he told his very deep secrets and early regrets to me. The 12th house doesnt necessarily mean hidden. I am so sad because I would have never meet him IF my husband and this man, and his wife would not become friends with him in church, ( I did not go to church for a while so I would not meet them!) It can be in a subconscious way, and you subconsciously want to have all of the power and control. Neptune, as the higher octave of Venus, is all about connections, and the 12th house allows us to dissolve the boundaries of ordinary life in order to reach out beyond our mundane reality. Our strongest aspect is Saturn Trine Moon. And here is why: my sun, mercury and venus and chiron is in th e 12th natal house. Ive seen couples with a heavy 12th house influence utterly befuddled and bedazzled by their lives (which dont go the way their friends lives go). I felt like someone kicked me out of my home. . Lilith in 8 th house composite. I would need a full synastry to really answer your question. Definitely karmic and unbreakable. A lot of native speakers make this same mistake, and worse. Hes Gemini sun . Lilith in : 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th Lilith - astrology meaning Black Moon - Fascination and Denial Lilith is a fictional point - the second empty focal point of . Talking about Fate! The 12th house is the culmination of all that has come before itits our last chance, our last ride, and planets there can often go to extremes without knowing why (they can blame it on the limitless nature of Pisces, which respects no boundaries). Neptune tries to tell us that we cant own anything permanently, and if we try to possess and not understand the message of universal love (love is its own reward) it will pry our grasping fingers off of whatever we are trying to hold on to. clearly the 1st has the most planets, but you said the sun was the essence of the chart,its in scorpio in the 12 house. I still feel a strong connection to him, but in a way, I guess I have come to reasonable terms with not being with him. Natal Sun in Gemini and Venus in Cancer in the 12th, and Venus is conjunct my Cancer ASC. Then we hurt each other. I have always been very attached to her and have had strong needs for physical intimacy which she has resisted. The 12th house really gives you an opportunity to see behind the veil in such a powerful and beautiful way, to understand not only our existence in this lifetime, but our collective reason and the inner workings of the universe itself and the karmic bonds that we have formed with soul family that have traveled this journey with us for many many lifetimes. But, our composite chart is weird. Do you think that is true? In Our composite chart Sun, Mercury, Venus, Jupiter and Chiron in the 12 house. House position isnt as strong as the sign of the Moon. Im afraid I cant get into it in this space (in the synastry course, we spend several lessons comparing the midpoint and Davison charts). Happy holidays and thank you for this article. taurus venus-mars conjunction in Your opinion? Hi HGOf course, these articles cant contain every single exception, and the whole chart has to be taken into consideration. We are ignoring what the Source is asking us to do. How does the 12th manifest when the planet is also conjunct the Asc? this is honestly so beautiful to read. . ? Just not what I wanted to hear. Whatever the motive, we know we are facing some sort of extremeand a choice. I have to come to grips with it (what you said) altough it is not an easy thing for me when it comes to love (being an Aries lol I want to love with a passion and not just except it as an idea). VENUS IN HOUSE TWELVE Venus in the 12th house cultivates a spiritually profound form of love and a desire to experience love on a higher level. Is there nothing better to hope for? Find a way to bring the god down to the day to day world, so that it, too, is considered sacred. What is your thought on this. scares me a bit. Lilith in 12th House: 5 Key Takeaways. I dont know why im writing you this because uncounsciously know this relationship was all about love and let go. Once they have hammered out their imbalance (too little, too much is often a theme with the 12th) they must find a way to make something real of their inspiration. But also to wound each other? Lilith in the 12th House. I am sufficiently haunted. Well it is a living hell right now! Transit Mercury in the 12th House Meaning, Transit Birth Chart, Mercury Astrology Free Interpretations . Ultimately, both the 12th house and Neptune want us to get our egos out of the way. Thank you for this article. What if the composite chart has two strong stelliums: one is made up of the outer planets in the 12th, the other Sun/Mercy/Venus/Juno in the 10th (and moon and mars are in the 8th). If you dont like how someone operates, who cares how connected you are to them? I found composite Saturn on the 12th house, trining the composite Sun/Venus/Merc on the 8th and sextile to the Moon on the 2nd. thanks!! I put mars (Cancer) in his 12th. He just wanted to keep it physical until one of us gets married with someone else. The ego thing is very true. I havent spoken to him in a couple of years and my heart is still broken. I am in a relationship with a man for 14 years in which we have an extremely strong synastry including my saturn conjunct his venus by degree, his saturn/node conjunct my sun/chiron by degree. It often helps to work together on projects they find meaningful, or to spend some time doing community or charity work. I wouldnt say that one is more important than another. I was the Sun/Ascendant person, while he was the Lilith person. Im sure a lot of my readers have been there and sympathize with you completely. The trauma you have experienced can be in relationships. More, we have a 5 cluster Scorpio in 9 (Moon, Venus, Neptune, Jupiter and Mercury), a composite Sun in Sag in 10, with Pluto and Uranus conjunct in 7 and unaspectted Gemini NN in 4 we also have a lot of 6/12 house contacts in synastry and 21 conjunctions (far from being easy!) Lilith in partner's 12th house may represent emotional outbursts, manipulations and obsessions. Our composite mars is in cancer in the 12 house. We see each other regularly in our spiritual activities, and yet live on opposite coasts, and though dedicated to each other 100% as spiritual allies (and possibly more), we have no intentions of giving up our day-to-day independence.
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