I've carried both extensively. Again, carrying with an empty chamber isnt wrong, but it just isnt quite right. Didnt fire..interesting. Considering how many types of expanding ammo my plethora of 1911s did not work very well with I gave up on them long ago. Good luck!!!!! It was being carried in an improper holster or the operator got careless in putting the pistol back into the holster, by not making sure the path was clear. The Glock Gen 4 and Gen 5 models have actually become really popular with civilians and self-defense shooters alike. I had the same concerns when I first started to carry my Glock. Weight: 22.9 oz. Carry chambered ever since. I now have a Walther P99 (OK, Im a Walther fan). Excuse me, but the inventor of the Linebaugh cartridges and custom gunsmith in Powell Wyoming is JOHN Linebaugh. I hope to later, but I just moved to a state that allows it, and our first child just turned one. Perfect for everyday carry, the compact Glock 43 is a popular concealed carry option chambered in 9mm. But thank goodness I dont have to make that choice. Sub-one second times, under stress are the norm when properly trained. Or tell them to carry only 5 bullets instead of six?? Well, now, lets analyze this a bit deeper, shall we? Often, its holstering the gun into a holster that compromised by clothing. Hire someone who did it on other blogs. in the 20th and 21st centuries, empty chamber is just retarded. How often do you train your driving abilities?. For those afraid of carrying cocked and locked or striker-fired guns, the XD-E is a better choice than chamber-empty carry. Glocks are designed with internal safety features to prevent accidental discharge. Heres a link to it. sanctimonious what iffers So Move. A un-chambered carry gun is useless. What I meant was: As all who have examined a REGULAR single action revolver, like a Colt SAA or the old three screw Rugers before the transfer bar, would know. A lot of guns, particularly the early revolvers, were considered too dangerous to carry with a loaded chamber . Those who scream that everybody who doesnt think exactly like them, pick the same options as them, etc., are dumb for not recognizing that they are perfection itself, are just more of the loads of SJW types out for attention by putting everything and everybody down, to make themselves feel a bit better about not having a life. The Glock 17 is a full-size pistol that is chambered in 9mm. I forget just how stupid people like you really are your response is so childish and you carry guns I hope you dont blow your face off looking down the end with six letters grow up. A little background: When Israel was founded, "drop safe" firearms were not as common as today and the fledgling state had a mixed bag . First a 5906, then a PPK/S for 20 years. I have four (4) SA revolvers. B.D. COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. A loaded GLOCK, some of the comments went, is susceptible to the dreaded GLOCK ND (negligent discharge). When you thumb the hammer back for the first shot, it only rotates 1/12th or the way around instead of 1/6th. She had the edge, rock steady hands of a brain surgeon. For my "duty firearm", I carry a Glock Mod 22 Gen 4 (.40 S&W cal.). Too big, to heavy although I can cock the hammer on the draw with no problem (passive firing pin models). Well you can either use it as a gun or as a brickI like mine to be carried like a gun. But that would be true for almost ANY gun that didnt have a manual safety engaged. You can lift and close the bolt to cock the striker quicker than doing all four motions. Learn your own weapon and try not to drop it, the last thing you do might be a good catch. And my Glock 17. Glocks response was to simply make a pistol that was safe without a safety. It's a little bullet with a decent velocity, but will it actually fill the freezer? Nearly anything can be used as a weapon, whether it is designed as a weapon or not. Someone with little firearms experience who feels over confident in his/her carry technique is more likely to find him/herself in trouble. Anyone who believes otherwise is delusional. I have for almost 40 years and have it properly holstered. Big thing, its hammer fired and its also DA/SA, so I have no problem with chambering a round and lowering the hammer. Glocks are for professional that carry OWB at 3 o'clock where it is possible to see All the way around the holster While holstering the gun. you would do well to keep in mind that some people dont carry with a round in the chamber not because theyre so afraid or lack of training but because simply of where they live and the laws that exist there if they did they would be constantly administratively chambering and unchambering a round throughout their day while doing so in their vehicle There was also some discussion of Fairbairn and Sykes experience in the Shanghai police with what is commonly referred to as Israeli carry. There are some inherent problems there. Just the easier reloading of the old Ruger 3 screw models (or any other regular types like the Colt SAA) vs the new ones, makes up for that one extra round, at least IMO. Safe and ready when I am. I suggest a CZ 75 D PCR, in 9mm. Every time I drive. . Revolvers with their heavy double action trigger pulls are perfectly safe to carry with a round in the . So you have no quibble with the line; If dropped, the hammer could contact the primer and therefore, fire., in relation to SA revolvers? The Glock trigger is too light and too short to be safe. The engineer who designed a take down system whereby the slide has to be forward and you have to pull the trigger must have on that day tripped out on LSD. Glock G21 439. at Guns.com. If my gun lands at my childs feet, an empty chamber leaves plenty of time to prevent a tragedy, but a chambered striker-fired gun may not. They ended up sticking to their story and making a big political deal out of it. The guns must of been 1911s or Browning HPs or similar SA only. This is an older thread, you may not receive a response, and could be reviving an old thread. I wouldnt have or carry any with a non hot pipe, but thats just me. If waking up to a noise or shadow, I want the piece in my hand as simply and easily as possible, meaning it lays in the headboard. Yep, if you havent actually ever been in a gunfight before you can shut the f#*k up about what or how I carry. If you don't just pick ONE, then IMO you are always going to wonder if you're chambered or no. The Last Word. That makes a takeaway more likely to succeed if attempted. Do you supposes THIS guy knows the six letter word for a firearms dangerous end? In war or a defensive situation, that will get you killed. What you are overlooking is the odds. Ammoland was intelligent enough to allow only one person to use a name at a time. Considering the odds of handling a particular weapon every day for years or possibly the rest of your life hoping to never have a brain fart in the process, and many people wisely choose another option. To chamber or not to chamber? like i said Daughter carries the 9. Apply the 21 foot rule with the holy glock with a round chambered (Im pretty sure that as I was at the Vatican admiring Michelangelos ceiling, it was definitely a glock God was passing to Adam in the famous reclining scene), I bet you you will still lose just as badly. Concerning long guns that are stored for home defense, I think that "cruiser ready" is the ideal state of readiness for rifles or shotguns. The Gen 5 Glock pistol is the latest generation in the Glock household. The Glock handgun is the favored handgun of police worldwide. While carrying or holstering? (Take that, NYPD!) Actually I carry a revolver, which is 1000% better at typical bad breath self defense ranges than an AR and 100% better than a semi-auto pistol that will get pushed out of battery on a contact shot. Most cap and ball revolvers have carry notches between the nipple notches. Modern revolvers with some sort of disconnect can be carried full up. Still disagree? I can cycle the bolt almost as fast as I can take the safety off, even when I stepped on a black bear who was sleeping under a downed tree. (AgCatJHS at English Wikipedia [Public domain], via Wikimedia Commons)Here we have a conundrum. FNS9-C. You have to train how you'll fight and fight how you train. That is a good point that I have never heard before. But, IF I were, then Id have to choose that DA revolver in my headboard. This site is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon.com. Is it a lot of work to train to the level where you never get it wrong? Whats a fleshlight? No wait . My Taurus G2C is DAO, restrike, and no mag safety. Especially in a stressful situation. And the latter is where a Glock is dangerous as is *any* other firearm. No, but it requires that everything go right when theres a higher chance of something going wrong. Want to vent about something? There is at least one fully loaded firearm in every room of my house and my shop. Because of its usefulness and reliability, many police and government agencies adopted this model as their service pistol. to all you sanctimonious what iffers and self styled know it alls out there: Now getting older, I have trouble with body positions for competitions, so I dont enter very many club competitions anymore. Every day. This means that if the hammer is carried down on a live round, the firing pin will still not be able to touch the primer, even though the hammer is sitting right down on the pin. says: How often do you train your driving abilities?. Glock likewise provides a slimline design, which integrates features from the Gen 3 and Gen 5 Glock guns. Just not for me. Police departments across the country mocked the NYPD for their accusations and understood that its both trigger happy officers and training issues that lead to problems like that.Glocks two-part trigger is one piece of their internal safety features. You know, due to the stress of OH MY GOD SOMEONES BREAKING INTO THE HOUSE AND HES GOT A GUN! Carrying a Glock 26 or 27 in "conditon 1" (chambered) is comparable to carrying a loaded S&W Jframe revolver. Hmaag [CC BY-SA 3.0], via Wikimedia CommonsTodays revolvers have a flat hammer. Or a DA/SA auto. With any decent holster you will be fine. Glock firearms Instructor. Not a hard and fast rule. It appears to me that Darwin and his theory of evolution is again being ignored, if you are dumb enough to carry without forethought, please ace yourself before you breed. I used to carry a Walther PPQ. I only know my own lifes experiences, fwiw, too many LEOs cant hit chit no matter what the tool, and Im an honorary. Same here. Try it. The Glock trigger is too light and too short to be safe, and I understand Glocks are way far overrepresented in the annals of ND, which is very easy to understand. And so easy to correct. A admit, these days are different a 3 grand safe, that folks have to go look up the damn combo to, or wake up with a shadow looking at them in a dark bedroom and try to get to a box hopefully in reach without getting halfway up out of bed. Mr Hoober, If you werent too busy arrogantly doubling down, you might consider trying it some time instead of pretending you know everything but I suppose you are probably more interested in getting audience engagement than giving good advice. Thought about getting the Sig with the external safety, but decided not too. If youre going to do something like defend yourself with a firearm. All I get is replies that they are working on it. We can talk about the merits of being able to shoot effectivly one handed. I do carry that way, however, with my 1911. Each new design improved the handgun and its features. Clearly not enough to train for scenarios where chambering a round can be life or death. You can get a lockbox for $50 or less from Amazon or from most hardware stores. I have kids, but they have been taught that if it can go bang assume it will if the trigger is touched. the number of people out there who keep a single-action revolver as a home defense or self-defense gun is likely negligible., Not to mention that those idiots have no right to expect anyone to take them seriously. To each their own, and god speed, The first gunm I packed was a SA .22 with a half cock safety and I loaded all the holes, then I went DA but cocked it most of the time.so I got in a habit of cocking the hammers Then I went to auto pistols and just never did trust that hammer sticking up so I carry them with one in the chamber on half cock. Sounds a lot like a problem created by attorneys to have something to sue over, doesnt it? When she holstered her Glock .40 it went off and the bullet went down her leg utterly destroying it. The pistol was designed to be carried with a round in the chamber with the safety on or off as your choice. Another difference is that the Equalizer is only available chambered for the 9mm Luger, where the Shield EZ can be had in .380 Auto, 9mm Luger and .30 Super Carry. It degrades my ability to respond and limits my choices, but is still far better than some choice words. Bear in mind that all Glock pistols are striker fired and are have no manual safeties. If you need to defend yourself, you cannot afford the time to rack the slide. Are you my mother? There are no Glock negligent discharges *without* the word *negligent* in the incident description. 7. For those of you that don't know, "Israeli Carry" is the practice carrying a pistol without a round in the chamber. I have done special work to lighten my trigger and its still not very touchy. I left it in my series 80, but a gunsmith can easily remove it if desired. So you are in reality arguing that if someone makes a *negligent mistake*, the Glock is more likely to discharge than another firearm. Never mind the others. Marshals (1998). Well, except for that ad hominem attack, anyway. Id rather they stop production than change a design thats gone on unchanged for as long as it has. Even my beloved Browning High Powers (all 6 f them) gave me fits until I found some expanding ammo that would work reliably in them. I ran a corner thru the trigger and around the other side up the grip. The Glock if it came under the Governments Consumer Safety Council would never have been allowed on the market. 1. I've never been to the range with you and I know . OFC, most people would rather just follow the herd, but that isnt reasonable, logical, nor wise. Yet, most of us will also admit that we sometimes make mistakes while driving, despite all the practice/training. The priming compound could care less WHAT hits it, so long as the blow has sufficient energy to activate the explosive charge in the primer, it will detonate. More bad advice, did the author not learn from his first mistake? Please consider creating a . oh yeahuhcarry what you like guys. I think I can answer that one. The LC9s can not be fired in any other way accidently unless the trigger is deliberately pulled. 1 you many not have time to chamber. Running this way I am even more vigilant about how I handle the gun. If you 're considering a Glock handgun, make sure you have an armorer or gunsmith install it before trying to customize it. In my own case I carry a gun because ITS MY GODDAMN RIGHT and being prepared for the defense of my life is a purely secondary concern. . The Glock Gen 4 and Gen 5 models have actually ended up being popular with civilians and self-defense shooters alike. Maybe I counted wrong? So lets just say its a personal choice and your way isnt better than mine, but I will never accidently shoot my leg or foot. In that book, they suggest that the proper way to carry a semi . Cycling against objects using your sight is slow and not easily done. They have defense of the State, of their comrades, or of other citizens. Good on you guys for responding here. The M&P Shield is a popular and commonplace pistol for concealed carry. The reason that the Israelis carry with an empty chamber is because Israel does not have a concept of self defense. Height: 5.4. One of the interesting things about that is I can (after clearing) dry fire repeatedly and get a rough visual about how much the aim point moves depending on my grip and finger position. The Glock Model 48 slimline 9mm is a state-of-the-art fighting pistol with a small grip frame any cop can master. Knowing how impossible that is, Im NOT one of those. I dont condemn those who carry a striker with one in the chamber. But no self-defense. When I was new to guns I bought a DA/SA pistol with safety/decocker because I lacked the confidence to go with a hot gun without the safety, never fell for the empty chamber myth as a safe way to carry, always thought it was a sure way to get killed.. Once I was confident enough, now I only carry a gun without a safety and it always has one in the pipe, always carried in a holster. He grew up hunting, fishing, and trapping. The general answer is most certainly yes however there are a few considerations. All it takes is knowing what the word; inertia means. Even though everyone who has ever used and examined a SA revolver can easily see that the firing pin is ALWAYS in contact with the primer when the hammer is down, if the chamber under it has a round in it? As one gun writer said years ago, its amazing someone was not smart enough to hire a good gun savvy lawyer and sue Glock out of existence with all the accidents this pistol has caused. PS: I have never had an ND with my EDC G23 chamber loaded these past 22 years. It would be as if a round was pushed into the ground, primer up, and then a firing pin dropped from a height, point down, directly into the primer. Folks, a GLOCK (or any other striker-fired pistol) is perfectly safe with a little intelligence combined with a bit of assiduity. They are all single-action guns even if the marketing guys play games saying they are 1.5-action or whatever. Pull back the hammer, you notice how it clicks 4 times? Either you will practice with chambered, or chamber empty. I submit never. Not having a bullet in the chamber would make a discharge in the holster impossible. But it used to work fine, a year or so before that. Please note, comments must be approved before they are published. If gravity provides the inertia instead of the firearm, then the problem wont arise unless the gun is moving towards the ground, and then stops. The are a couple videos out there showing issues with holsters (kydex included) where bending or twisting caused a discharge. Subscribe and receive the latest information on GLOCK products and more. I know, its a big word, all scary long and has lots of syllables, but try it out. Dani: In the case of an inertial firing pin, nothing but a physical block on the firing pin itself will have the slightest effect. Only, dumb guys wouldnt understand that. As in mentally deranged. the department said it was the pistols fault. Glock 17. Dave: And the 1911 series 80 fits into that category. At Incognito Concealment, we're confident we have the right holster for you. However, that may be the reason I carry a revolver, but the reason I carry a gun (as I said) is because ITS MY GODDAMN RIGHT. And its nowhere near so light a trigger pull that you could just bump it and it fires. And unlike Mad, I DO make mistakes. i carry mostly to counter the mass shooting incident the type of which where afterward everybody says if there had only been a good guy with a gun and i will more likely than not have time to draw the weapon and charge it while i get my ooda loop going. If soft iwb holster freaks you out then get a nice, quality leather or kydex holster. No permits needed, no interference from the State. Kids are grown, hoping dad doesnt ever need to move in, not the reverse lol, and I have em where I need em to be and they are ready when I am. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[250,250],'guntradition_com-leader-1','ezslot_8',113,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-guntradition_com-leader-1-0');I do know one engineer who figured out that if it was dropped from 221 feet and it lands on the right angle squarely on its barrel, it could possibly go off, but the bullet would immediately strike the ground and not do much after that. You are not going to change my mind. But, it has a decocker, so I can put a round in the chamber, decock the striker, and walk around with a much better feeling about it all. Glock is known for its proprietary barrel design which is said to provide a better seal between the bullet and barrel, allowing less propellant gas leakage and less bullet deformation. The hammer connects with a firing pin thats integrated into the frame, which strikes the primer. So old single actions have to be handled and loaded in a certain way to be carried safely. Youll probably die trying to get your semi-auto back into battery after attempting a contact shot anyway. Amen! IMO, anyway. And therefore only idiots use it. No kids at home anymore so no worry there. Notice if the trigger is ever depressed. A GLOCK is a striker fired pistol with about a 5.5-pound OEM trigger pull that has incorporated into the trigger--in the form of a lever--and when it is engaged blocks the trigger from moving rearward. The Glock Gen 4 and Gen 5 models have actually ended up being popular with civilians and self-defense shooters alike. I have had cops point shotgunms and Rvolvurs at me, made me nervous, now their pointing Glocks at me, and that frightens me to the point of shaking. *, Keep your damn finger out of the trigger guard until your sights are on a target you intend to shoot and you should be training to do that automatically *even* while under stress. Safe wise, I like the Homak #584 4 digit/code safe. Come join the discussion about optics, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, troubleshooting, accessories, classifieds, and more! Still no safety. There are 5 in the house right now; computer room (where I am) living room, bathroom floor (beside the throne) and both sides of the bed. What Glock Is Most Used By Law Enforcement; Who Makes The Glock 22 Which raises the question: How tough can it possibly be to fix? When I go hunting, I carry my Remington 700, bolt action rifle with the striker discharged on an empty chamber. Holstered the Glock like that into kydex holster. Call us at (586) 333-4240, and we'll guide you through the process of choosing a holster to suit your needs. Go peddle your homosexual fantasies elsewhere. If my chamber is empty, I obviously increase the chances that my gun wont be useful when needed, but I also reduce the chance of a ND caused by a minor in my care. The Glock Gen 4 and Gen 5 models have become very popular with civilians and self-defense shooters alike. I carry one in the chamber of my ruger P89 with 17 rounds in the magazine. Jun 4, 2009. Second Media Corp., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. To sum up: there were a few objections to my original post that, on their face, had some truth to them. See the old Remingtons. Come on, Gov, you know better than that. But if the gun has to be pointing at the ground for the problem to occur, then how big a problem can it be? I doubt it. Until I do, its one in the chamber with safety engaged and hammer down on a DA/SA pistol. They claimed that the officer didnt purposefully pull the trigger, but he just twitched from his heart beating fast and the gunshot an unarmed innocent man. Like: condition 2 (good choice for a DA/SA autoloader), condition 1 (if your chosen piece has a manual safety), and etc. I always wanted to see in a western someone who knew he was about to get into a gunfight slip that 6th round into his Colt SAA. Back in the old days of guns, they didn't really have any safety at all. We do all make mistakes. It's a small handgun that is easy to carry, chambered for a very powerful cartridge, and priced so a working man can easily afford it. Im a mommy-frelling ballerina with a pickem up truck towing. And so it is when carrying a Glock as well. I dont know who else to contact. But that would mean giving up my beloved 1911! The overall size of this firearm is much smaller and that shows with a barrel length of 3.43 inches and a slide length of 6.26 inches. Fuck off gov. In some cases it's not legal. Well, technically, you could also just not drop them I suppose. Victoria: plan A: have an empty gun you throw onto the ground to start the action. If you can have a momentary lapse of judgement handling a half million ft/lbs you could certainly have one while handling 350. If you cant respect the power and danger of an automobile why would you think you could be trusted with a firearm at all let alone one without a safety? Ive carried in condition one for nearly 25 years. Do other people carry Glocks in IWB holsters with chambered rounds? We keep our mouths shut, myob, and avoid praising glocks. Negligence or stupidity, flip the coin on word choice. Since the pin must have considerable energy to fire the primer charge, and then must expend that energy quickly through a sudden stop, it really doesnt matter, because the available object to provide the sudden deceleration needed to drive the pin into the round is almost certainly going to be the ground, and the round must be in line with the inertia, which, if provided by gravity instead of the firearm itself, must be downwards. Carried chambered until the kids came. Carrying with an empty chamber was John Waynes great advice, applicable to old, single action revolvers. Situational risk assessment. Theres simply no point in carrying an unloaded gun. Thats when I started looking for a better way. We have lots more on the site to show you. A number of gun companies still produce single-action revolvers. Didnt check that the gun was clear. Both have pros and cons the secret is you must be well versed to bringing your gun up to the level of lethal quickly. But, some want only one item to cover every base. You learned something. I am the same way, my kids randomly jump, hug or accidentally collide with me on a regular basis. I also like the guy getting thrown across the ally when he gets hit with both barrels of the shotgun through those 3/4 boards, but even better is when the same happens from a .45 Colt round. So, us non-glockentines keep a low pro on discussing polymers and plastics, but if I had to go to war tomorrow, you can it would be an all steel weapon. I have no issue using any of my Glocks as a SD gun, nor do I have any issue using any of my 1911s, any of my revolvers, or any of my other guns.
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