. It shoots pretty good. I doubt nothing that Taffin says, but we both know that no gun maker will ever live with that kind of visible damage.But let's step back and look at what the .357 Maximum was designed to do. So far I've shot 19.0, 20.0, and 21.0 of H110 using Remington 7-1/2 primers and a 180 XTP. Build a Ruger#1. being a good functional maximum charge with 180 gr. It is my go-to gun for self-defense at home and in my car. I cant go the range without people coming over to try it out. Surprised no one has mentioned Smith and Wesson 627 Performance Center 8 shot in 357. Forgot to add. Because many states have recently enacted hunting laws that allow for straight-case centerfire cartridges, in addition to the previous shotgun slugs only. It carries easy, at 6- lbs, with swivel studs coming standard (as does a hammer block safety) and has a large loop for fast cycling. Shop 357 Magnum ammo online for hunting, self defense, and target practice. The .357 Rem. Modern black rifles offer options older firearms cant compete with. HARRINGTON & RICHARDSON 158 .357 MAXIMUM RIFLE For Sale from: Intrepid Shooting Sports | Positive feedback: 98% View | Verified Seller | 1551 Completed Sales View Sellers Items SOLD - $299.00 Shipping: $20.00 (or FREE in-store pick up!) Risking twice that? Im going to be very careful dipping into a little bit of political prognostication, but I think most of us would acknowledge that gun-banners have a list of the guns they hate most (cough AR cough) and that John Waynes Cowboy Rifle is way down at the bottom of that list. Accepted Payment Methods: Returns: 3 Days If a Marlin 336 is a candidate for a successful rebarrel and chamber job in order to use 357 Maximum/Supermag cartridges. Just ask! ALL factory handgun ammo is impossible to obtain now in the Covid 19 and Defund the Police world we live in now. can anyone suggest a competent gunsmith? Thanks for your replies. Unfortunately it caught the Remlin disease and had to be sent to the ship for some warranty work. Great deal on a 357 magnum! The .357 Magnum is considerably more powerful than its parent round the .38 Special. The resulting airspace does no good. Savage made a small number of their model 24 Over/Under combination rifles with a .357 Rem. Shop online for discount .357 Remington Max ammunition from top ammo brands like Remington, Federal, Winchester, Hornady, CCI, Speer, and many more. Due to the additional costs of internet sales, shipping, etc., our internet pricing may vary from our In-Store price. I was surprised I didnt see any comments about the Henry Big Boy X. I bought this in a .357 mag at BassPro for $800 and it has the side gate for loading. I admit that these articles about .357s have me thinking What the hell? One, intended as a super revolver cartridge, failed to make the grade in firearms with cylinders but is a fine performer in other platforms. It works out to about the same as a heavy loaded 38-55 in a Marlin 336. Cheap factory 158gr LRN is subsonic and stupid quiet for those that are complete hereticslike meand suppress their levers. Chiefs Special, 6 Python and Henry in 357. https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/gun-review-marlin-1894c-357-magnum/, The review after Wild West Guns rescued it: The .357 Maximum is a "stretched" .357 Magnum case; it's about 0.315 inch longer than its parent. Maximum average pressure (MAP) was set at 40,000 psi/48,000 CUP, substantially higher than the .357 Magnum. bullets in barrels around 20. I enjoyed your article. As a recap on hand loads, I would suggest that anyone wishing to hunt with the .357 rifle should . I just checked Davidsons, my primary national wholesaler. "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools" The Apostle Paul in Romans 1:22 . This cartridge began the " Magnum era" of handgun ammunition. Is taught at the Range! The .357 sounds like just the ticket for deer hunting in heavy brush where 70-80 yard shots are about the max you will find. Fully agree with this. Even if production revolvers missed the test barrel velocities by 200 fps, they produced enough muzzle velocity to achieve good terminal performance from softpoints giving better penetration. Blame it on the Covid 19 pandemic. Manufacturer Cimarron Firearms br brModel 1892 Lever Action Riflebr brSKU AS621br brCaliber .357 Magnumbr brCapacity 10 Roundsbr brBarrel Length 20 Oct CIM CA2903 CIM UBERTI 1894 RIFLE 38-55 26" Brand: CIMARRON FIREARMS CO Item Number: CIM CA2903 UPC: 814230101112 Cimarron Firearms, the leader in authentic replicas from America Glock #32 (357 Sig) -- #13 rounds magazine -- #3 Magazines and loader only! No one else offers the wide range of options, steel picatinny rails, and barrel fluting that MGM does. JavaScript is disabled. That 2000 fps 357 mag load is 1100 ft-lbs of energy at the muzzle. Instead of repeating all the details, Ill just post the link below. I dont live in big bear country. 45-70. Nostalgia isnt relevance. Never again Marlin, shouldve bought another Henry. I bought a new carrier and internal parts and fitted them to feed a loaded 357 Maximum. Ed Palumbo from Tualatin, OR on November 23, 2019: I spoke to a gunsmith about rebarreling a Ruger #3 falling block (single shot) to .357 Maximum and he was appalled, commenting "You'll never be able to resell it! Ive wanted one for years. A .357 bang stick would certainly be cheaper to keep fed for silhouette shooting vs my Henry in 45 Colt. .44 Henry rimfire. Optimize the potentials of the .357 MAGnum by long rethroating the factory chamber. I agree with Dave. Lots of these 'oddball' wildcats and so on can be found on, http://shootingwithhobie.blogspot.com/2 rguns.html, http://drcfirearmsoutdoors.businesscata tion-rifle, http://www.in.gov/dnr/fishwild/files/fw y_2012.pdf, It is currently Sat Mar 04, 2023 10:00 am. by Hobie Thu Jul 19, 2012 3:55 pm, Post I would also point out that IHMSA was a. . 1. .357 Remington Maximum beats many of the traditional factory loaded "deer cartridges" such as .30/30 Winchester and .35 Remington. A few javelina even took up residence beneath a collapsed radar dish, they just tunneled under the edge and hid out all hunting season. Backorder OK. Slip Top 50 Smoke Ammo Box 38 /357 Mag /357 Max /38 ACP /38 Super. Hard to beat real world experience which is mainly what this site consists of. NEVER JAM BULLETS INTO THE RIFLINGS! Most of my hearing is already gone, might has well get a couple of high-pressure guns to finish it off, Most of my hearing is already gone, might has well get a couple of high-pressure guns to finish it off. You might find a few boxes at the Tulsa world gun show. Yes, tactical Virginia, you can put a red dot on a lever gun. Thats relevance! Zombie apocalypse? I have the Winchester 1892 pictured above. Prefer .44 Mag to .357, but thats just me. I have a old JM Marlin lever rifle in .357, Its one of those rifles that has been out there and used before I got it. Most of all it looks cool and reminds me of the good old days when guns were all made from steel and wood instead of plastic. Given its performance for me in those cases it seems it would make an excellent powder for use in the 357 in rifles. Look around on the internet. The .357 Magnum is probably the most widely-used revolver cartridge today, managing to thrive in an era where the wheelguns and associated cartridges are growing scarce. The fact that they are very difficult to find, new or used, is a testament of that they are still relative and in high demand. Not all rifles need to be used to kill commies. Having fired several different types and CARRIED them in the Military, I much prefer the simple and traditional bolt-actions, levers and semi-autos that American hunters have carried for generations. You do want to make sure your rounds are flatnose, hollowpoint or LeverEvolution in a tube magazine. In May I went to Utah and took my brother, his son, and a handful of their friends out shooting. Not going to get activated by accident, and potentially useful now and then. Note the 1/4" groups with .358" bullets in their .358" cylindrical throat and only slightly larger groups with .357" bullets, Copyright 2023 .357 Remington Maximum Done Right by Mike Bellm, Mr. Max USA, New Custom Made Barrels by Match Grade Machine. A couple of people got that familiar look in their eyes and started plotting their next purchase right there. 2023 The Arena Media Brands, LLC and respective content providers on this website. The .357 Maximum is a stretched .357 Magnum case; its about 0.315 inch longer than its parent. Fortunately I do have lever guns in .22, .44 and 30-30 so Im not that upset. http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?309518-Saddle-ring-carbines-How-do-you-use-the-ring. Wear issues in revolvers appeared early. The 1894 CSBL has a 16-inch barrel, with an 8-shot tube. Jim Rhodes Greenville, Al. Threaded barrel. But alas. The powerful Ruger 77/357 is chambered in .357 Mag. to 200 gr. The "little but mighty" .357 " Maxie" ! Good thought though. . Marlin changed the sliding top strap to a sliding sidewall, therefore making the rifle side-ejecting. Midsouth Shooters can supply you with your pistol and rifle ammunition, as well as all of your shooting and reloading supplies. .357 Remington Maximum Done Right by Mike Bellm, Mr. Max USA. Shipping to your FFL by insured FedEx Ground will be $45. Henry is close with SPX but went plastic stock.DOH! The big problem for me was the shape of the Contender grip which caused my hand to shake after just a few shots. [2] Shortly thereafter, Dan Wesson Firearms and Thompson/Center Arms introduced firearms in this cartridge. Thanks Muddy, 2506, hunter67, shooter7. Turns out that my relatively new Ford pickup has plenty of room for a lever gun too. Ive shot the .30-30, and its fine, but man, Id love that thing in .357. Joseph Von Benedikt visits with Aaron Oelger from Hodgdon about the unprecedented demand on the shooting supply industry. Factory throats are more like a forcing cone, done to keep pressures down, does zero for accuracy. Over time, Sellier & Bellot expanded its product line to include rifle cartridges and smokeless powder. But it was attached to the saddle..which was (hopefully) attached to the horse. almost 1782 psi less than 9mm 4" barrel pressure. Just, reading the article reminded me about it. Rossi 92 is one of the best purchases Ive ever made. I wonder how the rimless version of the .357 Maximumthe .350 Legendwill fare. He cleaned that up. Being forced to use the Winchester Trapper, the horror. .357 Maximum is a perfect starter gun for kids to learn and grow on. Own Stock. Of course, you can also get the original Winchester carbine, the Winchester 1873. Browning should build a plant in Utah and make them there, as they own the rights to Winchester now. $1,050.00 (Save up to 21%) Price $825.00 H012MAW Henry Arms Henry Mares Leg Lever Rifle 357 Magnum 38 Special 5 RD 12.9" $1,133.00 (Save up to 10%) Price $1024.00 H006MML Henry Arms Cimarron 1873 Short Lever Action Rifle .357 Magnum $1,498.00 (Save up to 10%) Price $1355.00 CA271 One say I will probably add a .357 in a carbine for all around utility in the 100 yards or less range. Significantly disappointed and I reopened another repair ticket. Included with the barrel is a stainless steel MGM scope base and stainless steel Burris Z Rings. GunBroker.com Forums. Because the .357 Maximum in a Contender comes close to .35 Rem. Here is a link to an article that may answer some questions. GunBroker.com Forums. Finding ammo can be tough for any caliber these days, but if youve already got a stash of .38 and .357 for your handguns, youve already got that covered. It list 357 Max data for Jacketed and Cast bullets from all the major players. Or if you are willing to pay $1500-1,750 you get a Mikoru Japan made Winchester 92 Takedown rifle. Maximum Expansion HP 157 38spl 38 1150fps, Traditions Outfitter G3 Single Shot .357 Magnum 22" Black / Silver CR571130, Rossi R92 Carbine .357 Magnum 20" Gold Barrel Bands 923572013-GLD, Benjamin Bulldog, Ben Bpbd3s Bulldog 357 Syn, Uberti 1873 Trapper Carbine Rifle .357 Magnum 16.125" Walnut 342435, Uberti 1873 Special Sporting Rifle .357 Magnum 24.25" Octagon Walnut 342760, Chiappa 1892 Lever Action Rifle .357 Magnum 20" 10 Rds Walnut 920.129, Chiappa 1892 Lever Action Trapper Carbine .357 Mag 16" 8 Rds 920.335, Cimarron 1892 Carbine 20" Octagon CCH .357MAG 10+1 AS622 EZ PAY $126, Taylor Uberti 1873 Trapper .357MAG 18" Pistol Grip 10+1 550202 EZ PAY $147, Cimarron 1892 Lever Action Rifle .357 Magnum 20" Walnut 10 Rounds AS621, Cimarron Uberti 1894 26" .38-55 6+1 CA2903 EZ PAY $117. Got a lot of positive comments on it. Since that time, many believe that the issues stem from using light-loads consisting of 110 and 125 grain (gr.) I take the time to dial in bores, do all throating separately forthe best co-axial alignment of the throat with the bore, and cut a few tenths of a thousandth tighter throat. In addition to the rapid erosion of the barrel face adjacent to the cylinder, the topstrap was being grooved by a combination of hot gas and partially burned propellant granules. Its moderate recoil makes it perfect for smallish folks such as the ladies and folks with disabilities who simply can not stand the recoil of the various .45's. The fact is, .357 lever action rifles are proven game-getters, as they are well-suited to whitetail and hog hunting in thick timber at close (r) range, inside about 150 yards. We used Small Rifle primers for all load data, and they did fine with the propellants we tested. They only made these two years. Finding component will likely be tough though. Really puts a pop in the round. I always attempt to stay in the mid range of the reload manual. Even though it was flawed engineering, it was the cartridge that suffered. Your buddys Italian .357 was probably a Chiappa. by JerryB Thu Jul 19, 2012 3:00 pm, Post Now its the way it should have been from the factory. A max charge of 27.0 grains posted roughly 1,875 fps with the Speer 180-grain .35 Remington bullet and shot under 1 MOA in my 14-inch Contender. Kahlil, was the Marlin 94 you just got back from the Repair shop made between 2007 and 2012-2015? The Speer Hot Cor 180 soft point shoots lights out and velocities are over 2200 fps. Lil Gun is proving to be one of the very best powders for maximum performance in any barrel length, while AA-1680 is still gaining a little more speed per inch in 24 barrels. But I just couldnt ever wrap my brain around spending enough on a lever action to buy two or three semi-auto rifles. To get started, click the link below to visit mymagnow.com and learn how to access your digital magazine. The youngsters love shooting it with .38 spl. The 8 grains of unique seem like fairly hot loads out of the rifle. Comments like yours on why dont you just reload are what limits some of my shooting time on the metallic silhouette range as its full of old vietnam era (and older) shooters that whine more than a Karen in the wild if you dont pick up your brass with intent to reload. .357 Maximums and the 9x72R, an old German rifle cartridge. First off, a .357 lever is almost as much fun as you can have with your clothes on. Used Savage 24V Series D 357 Rem Max / 20GA 2-3/4 or 3" shell,Top break action, Reciever is a case hardened finish. Here's the 357 Maximum story: Back in the 1980's there was a silhouette competition for pistols out to 200 yards. While I do want one in .357 for ammo sharing with my handguns Id be open to one in .327 Federal as well. $2.92. Then there is the 40-90 Sharps straight 3 1/4" that can be formed from Bell .405 basic cases. I agree, a lever gun in the .357 Max would be quite the setup. Item Number: 534259137. The other was H-110 powder which never achieved what I thought was accurate. The rifle shot better after reaming that it did before. Yeah, what ever it is you want has a magical mystical ability of always being someplace else. by Hobie Fri Jul 20, 2012 7:35 am, Post Why does a levergun in .357 Magnum make more sense than one in .30-30 in those states? by AJMD429 Sat Jul 21, 2012 6:57 pm, Post The one that went directly back to gun store was likely 2018 or 2019 but was still new in box. rounds and it goes on just about every trip to the range. 20170926..35Cal.190gr.Fury.Jug.Test - Copy1.jpg, https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2t-barrel-length-muzzle-velocity-and-accuracy/, https://www.speer-ammo.com/products/bullets/rifle-bullets/hot-cor-rifle-bullet/2435, https://matchgrademachine.com/encore-contender-357-magnum-maximum-load-development-results/, http://hawkbullets.com/bullet-selection.html, https://cuttingedgebullets.com/shop/ets?caliber=43, http://www.accuratepowder.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/WPHandloading-Guide-7.0-Web-REV.pdf. COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. Ps should've gone with 26" would be better. I told them if they were so worried about reloading they can have my brass. can you find sace for a backpack sized tote? A broken case was stuck in the chamber and a bullet a ways down the barrel. It packs or stows easily and are very difficult to find lately. I wouldnt turn up my nose at either. I got a 336BL a couple years ago and I have no complaints. You get the best of both the classic function of a lever gun with modern improvements. Show Only Non-Guns. rounds much more than the .22s. The .357 Maximum was introduced into commercial production as a joint-venture by Remington Arms Company and Ruger in 1983 as a new chambering for the Ruger Blackhawk. Email Mike at mike@357maximum.net or call 541 956 6938. Larger game such as elk or black bear warrant a more substantial cartridge and hunting game on the open plains of the West requires more power and a flatter trajectory. Dies, a dipper set and some components and you are gtg. Past 20, pressure drops off and so do velocities. Not everything has to be tactically sound. And, re getting it looked at, yes; thing is, there arent too many smiths in my area who are comfortable working on lever-actions (and the ones that are, I dont trust). One of the best, if not, the best little caliber you would ever want ! and ring 4 inch plates every time. I can (for now) legally own an AR, and do. Joe Grine and I spent a day testing it agains the venerable .30-30, and the results astounded us. 357 Remington Maximum Load Data Returns MUST be left with the transferring dealer. Cartridge is a mite better now than 3 years ago, IMO. Looks like they replaced my hammer with a used part and there is some marks on the front sight hood that werent there before. Considering that there are no problems with this cartridge in single-shot pistols and rifles, it is unfortunate that the revolver problems sullied the reputation of an otherwise fine cartridge. The object was to knock down all five targets in two minutes. Customer experience was, and still is, the primary focus, a key to the firms longevity and success. 317 1 Image (s) Ruger Blackhawk .357 Maximum, 1983, 10.5-inch, great bore, 95%, layaway Gun #: 945177475 Seller: Sportsmans Legacy GA Sales: 739 $1,750.00 Full Details 1 Image (s) ROSSI R-92 LEVER RIFLE .357 MAGNUM Gun #: 942851574 Seller: Alpha Omega Services LLC $948.60 About the only .357 or .38 spl ammo available now is the pricey 30-bucks-for-a-box-of-20 defensive loads. $2.92. Not a bad option if you are living in a slave state. .357 velocities peak in a 16 barrel and decrease thereafter. Try some Blue Dot in your .357 Mag, chronograph it and see how you like it. Both are top performers. Its a nice round and rifle. It appears to be a rimless 357 Maximum. It was introduced in 1935, and its use has since become widespread. Custom barrels made by the best of the custom TC barrel manufacturers! Finally needed cash and sold it to a collector of old west guns. Im just trying to figure out why in the hell a Marlin 357 lever gun has to retail at nearly 3 times what the same gun in 30-30 retails for. those .357s out of a 20 inch barrel will just bounce off the bad guys chest, I tell ya!!!!!!! I think my Henry BB 45 Colt is my fav. Slower burning powders will enjoy a longer barrel more than faster burning powders. While many manufacturers produce copper jacketed or semi-jacketed bullets, as well as spire point for better accuracy at longer ranges, you can cast your own bullets to load this caliber. The .357 Maximum was developed in the early 80's by Ruger and Remington Arms as a silhouette cartridge for the Blackhawk revolver. I still have a stash of Hornady 180 grain SSP's for it. .357 inches (all 350 legend) shell case length: Source: www.okshooters.com It came back looking like new. We will take a look back at a stock revolver and its misunderstood cartridge called the .357 Maximum.Originally conceived by the late Elgin Gates and called the .357 SuperMag, the new round was very straightforward. I think its partly because leverguns are unusual in a sea of sameness, and also because theyve still got a bit of that badass Old West cachet. Since there is very little commercial availability for the .357 Rem. While visiting Rugers New Hampshire facility in 1985, I learned that when the company built the California Highway Patrol Commemorative model of the No. Here are the features to watch out for. Gun shows are your salvation. Springfield Armory SA-35 Pistol: Rebirth of the Browning P-35 Hi-Power. Im a wee bit envious. The .357 Remington Maximum is the .357 Magnum revolver round lengthened .315 inch, and was basically developed by the hyper-competitive Elgin Gates, who among other things raced powerboats and obsessively hunted trophy-book big game around the world. by awp101 Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:25 pm, Post You can find handguns in the .357 Remington Maximum, but prices vary. Everybody wanted to get their hands on my lever-action .30-30, and nobody who shot it was disappointed. Lever actions are a hoot to shoot. Brand: Winchester Firearms. CHECK FOR EXCESS PROTRUSION OF THE CASE FROM THE END OF THE BARREL BEFORE FIRING! Max. Yup. As most revolver . MSRP is $1,223, but since the name on it is Marlin instead of Winchester, itll command less of a premium in-store. A Dan Wesson revolver in that caliber based on the heavy duty Dan Wesson 44 Mag frame was offered. The winchester representative claimed 2300 fps with a 150gr bullet out of a 20 inch barrel. And as far as lever action rifles in pistol calibersthey have never been irrelevant over their 150 year history. by bgmkithaca Sat Jul 21, 2012 10:46 am, Post Do you have a case length limitation in your state for a straight wall case? OM56, cant disagree. Most 158-grain and lighter bullets usually lack the jacket thickness for use on big game in a Contender. Yeah both pretty awesome. The Winchester Model 1873 is an iconic rifle commonly referred to as "The Gun That Won the West.". https://www.rincolnia.com/images/Public/38SPL_SUPP.mp4. XTP bullet in a 357 mag. For them a pistol caliber Lever carbine makes a lot of sense. Couldnt seem to understand that I couldnt and didnt care to at this moment. Smooth as butter. rounds border on simply dumb when the .357 Maximum is so much more accurate and easier to shoot accurately with its moderate recoil. .357 caliber bullets (from left to right) 158 gr XTP, 180 gr XTP, 200 gr FTX, New 357 Rem Max casing. Rimmed cases don't play well with stacked magazines like in the 700 Remington.
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